Excerpts from Gurujī’s spontaneous seminars to one of his disciples:
For now, my highest state is Turya, when I see all the world full of Bliss and… This is the highest state I can… In Paramārthasāra they describe, yes? In Liberation, He reaches Turyātīta (a few seconds or 1 second, nobody knows!, yes? but it’s for a very short time because it kills the body). And next the rest of His life, He will live in Turya, and after dying He will recover Turyātīta. Turya… but it is not Turya all the time, no, this is a misconception. You cannot tolerate Turya too, it’s very strong! It’s undivided. It’s a compact mass of Bliss. You cannot tolerate that.
In Liberation, you can speak because all the levels of speech are with you, in Parāvāk.
(In Turyātīta), my experience with speech was very conflicting to me because if I am penetrating beyond Śakti, I cannot speak, yes? I cannot… No, you speak! So, when I read Abhinavagupta (after Liberation), where he explains that in Liberation you can speak because all the speeches (yes? all the speech… the levels of speech) are with you, are in Parāvāk, “Ah!”, so it’s a confirmation, yes? A confirmation that that’s why I could speak. Because very strange… because you think that at that level you cannot speak. You can speak! And your mouth is metallic. You feel your mouth like metallic; like a robot. I cannot explain this. I never read this.
Imagine you are like this (normal), thinking that you are a student… like this… all of a sudden, “What’s happening”, yes? and… Glory, yes? It’s scary! Another universe there… I saw that universe. I didn’t penetrate but He told me, “This is a personal universe”. And all this is not existing, and your mind completely gone. “What has happened to my mind?” No mind! You remember your family but it’s so far, your family, your body… you stop remembering. You cannot remember! You don’t care. You don’t feel any pain, nothing. Well, this is the Reality. Next again, here. So, you don’t believe in this anymore. She cannot cheat me anymore. Śakti… She cannot cheat me. This is Real. She is Real, but it’s real in the sense of… like a Comedy is real. The Comedy is not real.. it’s an invention of Śakti. It’s real because the substance is real, but the relationship, this is an invention of Her, yes? it’s an invention. “This is my wife, this is my disciple, this is my cat”, it’s a comedy. Because in that level, all is One. So there is no relationship. This is the state of Turyātīta.
People don’t know what is the Lord. They say, “The Lord… God…”. They will have to face a Reality who existed before them, who existed with them, and who will exist after them. This Reality that is conscious of every atom in the universe. How to face that Reality? You cannot! He will face you when the time comes.
Turya is Bliss with all this. Bliss… it’s massive Bliss! But you cannot all the time because it destroys your body. In theory you can, you can do everything. In theory you can fly… but when you practice, no. You cannot. Very limited the body, very limited. If you put the body under a strong pressure, the body will die. So, imagine receiving the Glory of the Lord. People don’t know what is the Lord. They say, “The Lord… God…”; they will have to face a Reality who existed before them, who existed with them, and who will exist after them. By “them”, I mean the limited people. Limited individuals called “Gabriel”, “Sai”, “Natalia”, and all the rest. This is Reality. This is the Reality that is conscious of every atom in the universe. It’s a Reality that is… the Reality behind all (good or bad or middle, and mixture). “How to face that Reality?”, You cannot! He will face you when the time comes.
Śiva’s touch completely removes Pauruṣājñāna.
But it’s His touch. So you have many people who know a lot about this, about that… but other people, No. He has the touch of God. A few people, very few… very few people. When I was in India, I didn’t see anyone with that touch. So imagine how scarce the number of people with the touch of God. It’s like this. So that person is different. The touch of God. Even if that person is not so… apparently intelligent as an other person who knows a lot… No, it’s different. The touch… removes completely Pauruṣājñāna. He knows that this Reality is not the real Reality. He knows that this Reality is only a Play, a Comedy. It’s not the Highest Reality as the Reality is, yes? No form, Glory, Parāvāk, yes? The Glory of the Highest speech. Śiva only existing there with His Power. This is the Highest Reality.
Why Śiva touches you? Because you please Him. How do you please Him? Devotion. But, you please Him because He wants to. If He doesn’t want to, you cannot please Him. It’s useless. You can say that you please Him with your good qualities. But all these qualities was given by Him to you!
So, all this is real, but it’s not the Highest. The Highest is this. So when that person experiences that, he has a touch of God. So even if that person is apparently bad or good or whatever… it’s different. So people who are wise understand this and consider that person to be different. No rule applies to that person. Good or bad rule, no. For example, “No, he cannot do this. He can do that. He…”, No. Because He has no dharma or adharma. Because He saw the Reality (Highest Reality). It’s like this. Some people think, “Oh, so you can do whatever you want. It’s a license to do everything you want”. But really, you are not doing all you want all the time like this. No, you have only that capacity but you don’t do it all the time. Sometimes you do. But… this is the difference. Before and after His touch. Why He touches you? Because you please Him. It’s the best way to explain. How do you please Him? Devotion. But it’s strange this topic, because you please Him because He wants to. If He doesn’t want to, you cannot please Him. It’s useless. You say, “Oh, I develop devotion, knowledge, good qualities to… So I please Him. But all these qualities was given by Him to you! So it’s like a vicious circle.
After that you live like a machine. Like I live myself, for example. I am happy, I am angry, I am very angry, I am very happy, I am angry again, I am happy again, I am neuter”, but I don’t care about this. Anyway I look like I am very interested in all, and people believe that I am very interested, but I am not interested. Because I remember all the time That. You remember that Reality (Highest Reality), but not in time. So the word “remember” is a limited word to understand this. You “realize”, or “remember”, or… No word is perfect. When you remember, you come to experience again the taste of that Reality. So you cannot believe in this. You cannot believe in “Oh, this is me, this is you”. Anyway you have to move with people to play roles, “you are my friend, you are my enemy”, because it’s part of the world.